. >> they take advantage of an educated population that comes from our public schools. nobody does it on their own. that rhetoric is destructive. >> wait a minute. if they build that business on their own. whatever you want to call it. >> in concert. >> in the flourishing of american society and the community and all the great things that we all love, once that person dies, oftentimes because of the estate tax he has to sell that business instead of passing it on. >> often times this is a tiny, tiny incident. >> the percentage of these people is negligible and we've actually put provisions in our tax code to allow people to spread that over, say in the case of farms, over 14, 15 years. and we can do more. i can understand for that very small number for which that's a problem we have ways of handling that that does not force the sale. >> that brings up a question which i'd like to hear. so i'm a liberal or i'm a skeptical egalitarian. i'm one of the people i mentioned in the poles in the last hour who doesn't have a big ideological commitment. i do think the equity argum